I would propose that biomechanics and metabolism are interrelated and can affect each other; I.e. damage either one and this can cause the other to deteriorate. This makes more logical sense since we know soft tissue affects biomechanics. So if metabolism is negatively affecting the soft tissue, this would change the biomechanical structure as well.
1 - ive thought a bit about the sumo wrestler case and my general view was that if they have good structure to begin with (which some of them do and some of them dont) they are overpowering their system to get to that size.
But if you have good structure and eat only what your appetite naturally wants, my experience is that its impossible to get obese.
2 & 3 - I think when you look at these things from the lens of understanding biomechanics it starts to look a bit different.
What i mean is... show me the person with perfect structure that ate refined carbs or mcdonald's a lot and got fat.
i pay attention to these types for a long time and i honestly dont think its possible.
But a person with 'average' structure.. yeah the stuff they are saying is totally valid.
Also consider the research of Dr. Weston Price, a dentist who visited many primitive cultures around the world in the early 1900s and discovered that they all had perfect dental arches. However, the teeth of those who switched to a "modern" diet of refined carbohydrates quickly degenerated. Dr. Price concluded that fat-soluble vitamins A, D, and K2 (he called it Activator X at the time) were essential to healthy dental and facial structure.
I’ve gone down hill, badly, the past five years, since early 2020 and I didn’t have any orthodontic work done at all, nothing. Lifestyle changes are real and have consequences—do you disagree?
I think there are cycles/feedback loops. You eat well, workout, sleep well and you will maintain the structure you discuss. Conversely, if you don’t sleep, you’ll put on weight, your diet will suffer and so will your sleep which only makes things worse and worse.
Well remember that you dont need to do ortho dont to have your structure decline quickly.
The structure of your dental arches/teeth might be a bit unstable for a variety of reasons. eg. natural course of aging, it was misdeveloped to begin with etc
But i generally find that if you've gone downhill badly the past 5 years you would definitely see this on a tracking splint with changes in your dental contacts and flattening of curve of spee.
ie. i think based on what ive seen that it is impossible for you to decline rapidly without an impact on curve of spee and dentition. As they are two sides of the same coin.
And therefore i think that if you did something to maintain your curve of spee (eg. rubber guard) then regardless of lifestyle... you cannot decline rapidly as you say you did.
Try to prove me wrong? Wear a rubber guard and i think you'll see that im right.
All I can tell you is that prior to Feb. 2020, I worked out at minimum 3 times per week, was trim, ate a healthy diet and slept well. Covid hits, gym shutters, we had a newborn, and health decline. Now trying to reverse it.
Do you think a rubber guard would help an open bite?
You’re building an indisputable case with the biomechanics theory. I believe you will prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. The youtube video I watched on my desktop was very revealing in the side skeletal profile of how the body shape caves, the back and ribs protrude with hump back being revealed and ribs sliding back. Pretty interesting to see.
I dont think i will prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. But when hundreds and thousands recover from all kinds of stuff with a simple rubber mouthguard.. i do think it will be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Everyone told me for years that i needed research studies.
I told them.. no. All i need is social media and the law of large numbers.
The more I think about it the more I too think biomechanics and metabolism are interrelated. I've been digging into the history of orthodontics in both my family and my husband's, specifically those that haven't had any. Neither of my dad's parents had orthodontics, or their parents. My dad had severely crooked, stained teeth, and Hodgkin's Lymphoma in his late 20s. He's also struggled with his weight and insomnia since probably his early 30s. He then had adult braces in his late 40s and has needed several extractions since then (he's now 57), and has had a number of new health struggles pop up. So I can see where the adult braces caused issues, but I do wonder why his structure was so effected since puberty. His mom had him when she was 20. Both his parents grew up pretty poor, as did my dad. They didn't have the best diets. There's also a significant history of sexual and physical abuse in my dad's family.
And it's a similar story with my husband's parents (lower class, family traumas). No history of braces at all in their family, and his parents got started having kids when they were quite young and healthy. His mom developed numerous severe health problems in her early 30s that she still struggles with. Their kids all have pretty straight teeth, but 6 of the 7 have tiny teeth and gummy smiles.
I know one of the many theories on why our skulls have changed significantly in the last few hundred years is because of the changes in diet that came about with the industrial revolutions of developed countries.
So I'm keeping a very open mind. You're on to something fucking HUGE Ken haha. For me, my intuition nudges me back to balance and that the importance of diet, movement and mindset is intricately wrapped up with how our structures can be damaged and restored too. And how that combination could play out over generations
i agree that diet and other factors play a role on the health of the teeth.
But my logic is that if i can eat complete crap (which is what i do the past ~3 yrs), do no exercise, and use these biomechanics to achieve perfect health and perfect body at the end after being very damaged in 2020....
...then basically you can 'override' the importance of diet and exercise.
And if you can override it with these simple biomechanics.. they basically lose most of their importance.
So in other words if i prove that... then once the world knows that using these simple biomechanics gives them a perfect body and health.. who cares about what u eat and doing exercise? They lose relevance in my view
There's already evidence supporting this, with your own experience (and your friends') over the last 10 years, as well as what Dr. Stack and those other dudes are doing, haha. We just have to be patient. It's going to take some time but I agree with you, this is going to really change things ☺️🙌🏼💯🔥
And I agree that the more damaged the structure is, the more our health will suffer. Also ever heard of skinny fat? Maybe someone could successfully lose all the weight and appear relatively healthy on the outside but still have major stress inside the body because of a bad structure. There's also the skinny fat where no longer how hard you work out or diet you can't really tone or build much muscle, like Brendan Fraser. I also struggle with this, even being so athletic in high school!
But I'm most intrigued by the generational stuff I think, that's the biggest question mark that we still have to work so hard to rectify! I'm fascinated by what you said about the more twisted a mother is when she conceives, the more it'll impact her child. I think that is 100% true.
It’s been said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I look forward to your continued investigation and more detailed descriptions of the structural changes at play.
well... i can't say i have some highly planned tactic here... but more the approach of 'poke the bear' and then let it do its thing.
ie. get a load of people using these biomechanics, seeing the changes and then showing their own evidence.
But one thing im sure of which to me logically flies directly in the face of 'metabolism' is... that im very confident you can take anyone with a 'good metabolism' and drill their teeth flat... and their body and metabolish would go to shit in the following years.
Of course its hard to ever actually run this experiment.
But if they could... and they saw that indeed a person's body goes to shit as a result... metabolism in my book logically cannot exist.
Can you please do Tom Cruise?
yes will try to do him later this week
I have a few opposing points to your biomechanics-as-root-cause hypothesis:
1. Professional sumo wrestlers consume special high-calorie diets to practice their sport. Look at their body structures.
2. Consumption of refined carbohydrates negatively impacts facial attractiveness: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33118381
3. Super Size Me: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me
I would propose that biomechanics and metabolism are interrelated and can affect each other; I.e. damage either one and this can cause the other to deteriorate. This makes more logical sense since we know soft tissue affects biomechanics. So if metabolism is negatively affecting the soft tissue, this would change the biomechanical structure as well.
very good points...
1 - ive thought a bit about the sumo wrestler case and my general view was that if they have good structure to begin with (which some of them do and some of them dont) they are overpowering their system to get to that size.
But if you have good structure and eat only what your appetite naturally wants, my experience is that its impossible to get obese.
2 & 3 - I think when you look at these things from the lens of understanding biomechanics it starts to look a bit different.
What i mean is... show me the person with perfect structure that ate refined carbs or mcdonald's a lot and got fat.
i pay attention to these types for a long time and i honestly dont think its possible.
But a person with 'average' structure.. yeah the stuff they are saying is totally valid.
Also consider the research of Dr. Weston Price, a dentist who visited many primitive cultures around the world in the early 1900s and discovered that they all had perfect dental arches. However, the teeth of those who switched to a "modern" diet of refined carbohydrates quickly degenerated. Dr. Price concluded that fat-soluble vitamins A, D, and K2 (he called it Activator X at the time) were essential to healthy dental and facial structure.
https://www.amazon.com/Nutrition-Physical-Degeneration-Weston-Price/dp/0916764206
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/principles-of-healthy-diets-2
i read it in 2015 and got big into this thinking. Was feeding my kid raw milk, etc for awhile after.
I think the western diet contributes to the initial decline...generation 1 in this article: https://reviv.substack.com/p/this-is-a-generational-problem
But i concluded in my own experiments on myself that weston price is only partially right.
eating a western diet results in a decline in the teeth that erodes the biomechanics only if you dont artificially prop up the biomechanics.
ie. i am breaking all of his rules eating lots of crap and improving by the day. Because i use my stretches and wear a rubber guard.
Which basically proves most of what he says wrong. Because you can artificially circumvent it.
I’ve gone down hill, badly, the past five years, since early 2020 and I didn’t have any orthodontic work done at all, nothing. Lifestyle changes are real and have consequences—do you disagree?
I think there are cycles/feedback loops. You eat well, workout, sleep well and you will maintain the structure you discuss. Conversely, if you don’t sleep, you’ll put on weight, your diet will suffer and so will your sleep which only makes things worse and worse.
Well remember that you dont need to do ortho dont to have your structure decline quickly.
The structure of your dental arches/teeth might be a bit unstable for a variety of reasons. eg. natural course of aging, it was misdeveloped to begin with etc
But i generally find that if you've gone downhill badly the past 5 years you would definitely see this on a tracking splint with changes in your dental contacts and flattening of curve of spee.
ie. i think based on what ive seen that it is impossible for you to decline rapidly without an impact on curve of spee and dentition. As they are two sides of the same coin.
And therefore i think that if you did something to maintain your curve of spee (eg. rubber guard) then regardless of lifestyle... you cannot decline rapidly as you say you did.
Try to prove me wrong? Wear a rubber guard and i think you'll see that im right.
All I can tell you is that prior to Feb. 2020, I worked out at minimum 3 times per week, was trim, ate a healthy diet and slept well. Covid hits, gym shutters, we had a newborn, and health decline. Now trying to reverse it.
Do you think a rubber guard would help an open bite?
What kind of open bite? Generally a rubber guard creates a small posterior open bite. As that is what happens as curve of spee improves
Anterior open bite.
theoretically this should close an anterior open bite and rather switch it to an open posterior bite.
But you would be the first case ive seen like this. So i cant say i have direct experience
You’re building an indisputable case with the biomechanics theory. I believe you will prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. The youtube video I watched on my desktop was very revealing in the side skeletal profile of how the body shape caves, the back and ribs protrude with hump back being revealed and ribs sliding back. Pretty interesting to see.
I dont think i will prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. But when hundreds and thousands recover from all kinds of stuff with a simple rubber mouthguard.. i do think it will be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Everyone told me for years that i needed research studies.
I told them.. no. All i need is social media and the law of large numbers.
This might be a silly question, but is it really just any mouth guard? What do I buy?
i wrote about this here: https://reviv.substack.com/p/the-reviv-one?utm_source=publication-search
i sell one called Reviv One that is $25 incl shipping which will be better than most of the ones you'll find on amazon, etc.
And now I’m also thinking that, surely, the bottom permanent retainer I have isn’t doing me any favors?
it will hold back progress to some extent once u start reviv
The more I think about it the more I too think biomechanics and metabolism are interrelated. I've been digging into the history of orthodontics in both my family and my husband's, specifically those that haven't had any. Neither of my dad's parents had orthodontics, or their parents. My dad had severely crooked, stained teeth, and Hodgkin's Lymphoma in his late 20s. He's also struggled with his weight and insomnia since probably his early 30s. He then had adult braces in his late 40s and has needed several extractions since then (he's now 57), and has had a number of new health struggles pop up. So I can see where the adult braces caused issues, but I do wonder why his structure was so effected since puberty. His mom had him when she was 20. Both his parents grew up pretty poor, as did my dad. They didn't have the best diets. There's also a significant history of sexual and physical abuse in my dad's family.
And it's a similar story with my husband's parents (lower class, family traumas). No history of braces at all in their family, and his parents got started having kids when they were quite young and healthy. His mom developed numerous severe health problems in her early 30s that she still struggles with. Their kids all have pretty straight teeth, but 6 of the 7 have tiny teeth and gummy smiles.
I know one of the many theories on why our skulls have changed significantly in the last few hundred years is because of the changes in diet that came about with the industrial revolutions of developed countries.
So I'm keeping a very open mind. You're on to something fucking HUGE Ken haha. For me, my intuition nudges me back to balance and that the importance of diet, movement and mindset is intricately wrapped up with how our structures can be damaged and restored too. And how that combination could play out over generations
i agree that diet and other factors play a role on the health of the teeth.
But my logic is that if i can eat complete crap (which is what i do the past ~3 yrs), do no exercise, and use these biomechanics to achieve perfect health and perfect body at the end after being very damaged in 2020....
...then basically you can 'override' the importance of diet and exercise.
And if you can override it with these simple biomechanics.. they basically lose most of their importance.
So in other words if i prove that... then once the world knows that using these simple biomechanics gives them a perfect body and health.. who cares about what u eat and doing exercise? They lose relevance in my view
I'm keeping an open mind to this too!!! So intrigued by this!
after three years of essentially living this theory.. i can tell u that im pretty confident im going to be right.
And its gonna change the world massively one day
There's already evidence supporting this, with your own experience (and your friends') over the last 10 years, as well as what Dr. Stack and those other dudes are doing, haha. We just have to be patient. It's going to take some time but I agree with you, this is going to really change things ☺️🙌🏼💯🔥
If you think about what im saying i think im gonna be right on its massive...
1- this is the root cause of disease / most natural causes of dealth
2- this is the root cause of aging. Maybe humans look and function great well past 150 with this
3- This is the root cause of beauty. Maybe we all end up looking like models while doing no exercise and eating whatever we want.
And im pretty sure im gonna be at least 'mostly right' on all three.
I cant think of anything in the history of the world that comes close to what this will change.
I think it's a "what came first - the chicken or the egg" type of question for me haha. Like why the hell did this start happening in the first place
i agree... how it started is a much more complex question that has numerous factors and is much less understood by me.
But if u can fix it all with these simple biomechanics... it almost loses complete importance.
Just fix everyone with these biomechanics starting as early as possible.
done.
I love this! We are evolving and I view adapting and overcoming being the more important steps forward.
Also sorry I wrote so much you can ignore all this 🤣 . Just had to write out some thoughts
And I agree that the more damaged the structure is, the more our health will suffer. Also ever heard of skinny fat? Maybe someone could successfully lose all the weight and appear relatively healthy on the outside but still have major stress inside the body because of a bad structure. There's also the skinny fat where no longer how hard you work out or diet you can't really tone or build much muscle, like Brendan Fraser. I also struggle with this, even being so athletic in high school!
But I'm most intrigued by the generational stuff I think, that's the biggest question mark that we still have to work so hard to rectify! I'm fascinated by what you said about the more twisted a mother is when she conceives, the more it'll impact her child. I think that is 100% true.
It’s been said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I look forward to your continued investigation and more detailed descriptions of the structural changes at play.
well... i can't say i have some highly planned tactic here... but more the approach of 'poke the bear' and then let it do its thing.
ie. get a load of people using these biomechanics, seeing the changes and then showing their own evidence.
But one thing im sure of which to me logically flies directly in the face of 'metabolism' is... that im very confident you can take anyone with a 'good metabolism' and drill their teeth flat... and their body and metabolish would go to shit in the following years.
Of course its hard to ever actually run this experiment.
But if they could... and they saw that indeed a person's body goes to shit as a result... metabolism in my book logically cannot exist.
It’s all about moving your body. An object in motion stays in motion.
yes but an object whose form is based on structure starts to crumple when the structure is damaged.
And where the body decides to put weight/energy is a function of structure in my experience
Over time it won't matter how much the object is moving as long as it's structure is crumbling 😓