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Thanks Kenny another great post 👍

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Any idea how palate expanders compare to Advanced Lightwire? Are they just different routes to the same bad end?

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ALF is better than palatal expander for sure.

But still useless in my book. i wrote https://substack.com/@yarrow549425/note/c-79794242

People that get results from alf almost always get it because of the composite ‘turbos’ that are adding vertical and unlocking the bite

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i'm interested in helping you with research.... my son and I are the research candidates...... do you have an email so i can give you further details on us?

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sure.. kenny516@gmail.com

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Come back with visual evidence of a few case reports to prove your hypothesis. All you are doing now is scaring and confusing people.

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Dec 4Edited

I know quite a number of people that were damaged by palate expanders but i'm not going to plaster their pics on the internet.

And if people want evidence they can find these stories written by the people themselves on various TMJ groups on Facebook and the TMJ subreddit.

But i've also referrenced 'hard evidence'. Mike mew's court case: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-65195207

6-yr old boy goes into 'seizure-like episodes' after a Biobloc (a palate expander) was used.

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I just completed a MARPE for sleep apnea. I am indeed sleeping better and breathing dramatically better through my nose. Am I doomed? Is there anything I can do? Not sure about my resulting curve of spee, as I’m still in braces to fix. Would appreciate any pointers you might have! Thanks much

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Ah gotcha. Thanks! I’ll look into it.

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Hi, I think things will likely structurally decline in the coming years.

Doing this expansion stuff to fix sleep apnea is a very bad way to do it in my view. It's like you're forcing the space for breathing a bit bigger but at the expensve of a lot of other things in following years.

I would wear a simple rubber mouthguard to sleep and a bit during the day. And try to get off the braces sooner than later as the mouthguard will move the teeth and just reverse whatever the braces is currently doing

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So basically it’s have crooked teeth and health or straight teeth and sickness in your opinion? I’m intrigued by your perspective and appreciate the response!

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i dont think the teeth will move to a 'worse' position... as things will expand outwards with the mouthguard.

And if u stick with this long enough.. the palate expands naturally and you will have all your teeth in a nice straight line.

So while it might be a slight tradeoff in the short term.. it is win win in the long term.

This is change in teeth in less than a year of active use of a rubber mouthguard (the myobrace): https://share.cleanshot.com/ggc2yfGJ

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So are you saying crooked teeth shouldn’t be corrected? Our daughter, now 40, had a high narrow plate, crooked teeth, snored as a child and couldn’t breath out of her nose. We did use a palate expander along with braces and it seemed to help. Her spine is straight and she hasn’t lost any height.

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Dec 4Edited

I'm saying crooked teeth should be corrected using natural expansive effects like simply using a rubber mouthguard.

I talk about this here: https://reviv.substack.com/p/how-to-solve-the-problem

If your daughter is fine.. than no need to bother her.

Generally i'd be surprised if she visually didnt age a bit faster than normal if she used a palate expander.

But anyway.. if she's fine.. dont worry.

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You recommend using the myobrace a1 to help, does using a firmer myobrace (such as a2,a3) or even wider one ( t1,t2 etc) still have a positive effect or will it be negative?

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hi.. i think any of those are fine.

Myobrace is available on aliexpress.

I offer a cheaper appliance for $25 (incl shipping) on www.getreviv.com

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