i went to that website, and they are selling 2 different sizes, small and large. no explanation or sizing guide. i want to get one but don’t want to guess what size. no contact info on website either.
Thanks. I am definitely considering it. My 3 children, all adults now have all had various sorts of orthodontic treatment in their teens. Now their teeth look great but 2 of them grind for instance. I never had orthodontic intervention, as people in my day (I’m early 60’s) hardly did unless they had very obvious problems.
It is a simple rubber guard that i source from China.
I only charge $25 for the guard itself (incl shipping).
But the $100 is for 1 yr access to the community & content, direct support from me (incl tracking your journal) as i explain here www.getreviv.com
If you buy a rubber guard u can do everything on your own as well. But it can be a tough journey and ive found that a community of folks that are also doing it is very helpful. As well as a guide.
I suspect that the cause of bruxism is different on an individual basis. Stress is one factor, and the unconscious attempt to ameliorate a malocclusion may be another.
Have you discovered Peter Dawson’s book, “Functional Occlusion”? Functional occlusion is the contacts of the teeth during mastication and speech. This is different from static occlusion which is the way the teeth interdigitate or contact while in centric relation.
You are talking about trying to change the VDO (vertical dimension of occlusion) which is solely determined by the repetitive contractile length of the elevator musculature. Should you change the height of the crown, say by increasing it via composite application on just on one tooth, you will create a functional occlusal overload. The result of that focal overload will be tooth movement of the offending tooth via intrusion or lateral movement (tipping) in order to remove that functional occlusal overload from the system. In a battle between the masticatory musculature and a tooth or teeth, the teeth always lose.
The creation of an anterior open bite via augmentation of the posterior crown height will cause headaches, as you’ve stated, due to stretching and hypertonicity of the elevator musculature. Mouth guards are to protect the teeth from abrasion due to bruxism. I think you’re talking about using removable bite planes to change the function of the entire stomatognathic system.
Each person has a unique stomatognathic system. The problem with the diagnosis of temporomandibular joint dysfunction (TMD) is that each individual person’s system is unique unto themselves. Therefore there is no one-size-fits-all solution to the problem of bruxism, in my opinion of course.
Thank you for the opportunity to think about this subject again.
I hadnt heard of Peter Dawson's book but i don't really try to understand the dental angle very deeply actually.
Mainly because i believe the principles to stick by can be very simple. ie. healthy curve of spee
So far these simple principles have fixed myself, my son, and a number of others.
What dentists dont understand that i do is how the actual soft tissue works... i talk about that in some other posts.
Dentists will read my posts and think im wrong, simplistic, etc
Till they notice how my results on everyone in my group are consistently kicking their asses.
As that group, which already probably numbers around 15+, gets larger.. they will start to think "hmmm maybe this dude does understand something we do not."
Ok I read your article. You are a lay person learning about functional occlusion retrospectively from an injury perpetrated by a dentist who did not understand anatomy nor functional occlusion. I see your motivation and your innovation.
I was asking for your definition because of course I know the definitions that I requested from you. Curve of Spee is an anatomic fact of each individual's stomatognathic system and is peculiar to each person's genetics. You are correct that a flattening of the occlusal plane without regard to the anatomic fact of the Curve of Spee (AND the Curve of Wilson) is one seriously great way to screw up the function of the whole system and all of the neurologic and musculoskeletal systems that are downstream of the function of the TMJ within the system. The skeletal pattern, which includes the shape of the Curve of Spee, is determined by genetics for the most part and drives the dental pattern. For instance, brachy and prognathia lead to predictable dental patterns influenced by the abnormal skeletal pattern.
I have been trying to teach functional occlusion to my colleagues for over two decades. It is really a complex, four dimensional, biomechanical science made even more complex by the individual variations of each individual system. Function occlusion is also further made undefinable (in a general sense) because the stomatognathic system will find a way to function no matter what, or the owner of said system will starve and die. The point is that all the parameters of how the system functions in a perfect prototypical person should be understood and have been defined. By understanding the component parts of the system, a practitioner can diagnose what is mal-functioning and endeavor to correct it, if possible.
Those colleagues who understand this area of functional medicine are few and far between. That you are a lay person, motivated to learn about functional occlusion by an injury perpetrated upon you by someone who should know better, is extremely admirable. Keep up the good work. I'd be happy to help you any way I can.
Can the stomatognathic system function without soft tissue? Like muscles and nerves and tendons and ligaments? These structures are required for function so yes, I do understand their contribution to function of the entire system. That you haven’t met a dental professional who doesn’t dismiss you is sad and frustrating. Been there, done that. I assure you that you’re not alone in this area of functional medicine. Best of luck to you.
Curious if you’re aware of something similar that I do. I click my teeth to the rhythm of a song in my head. It’s not grinding; it’s clicking to a rhythm, be it syncopated or more of a consistent beat. I just become aware I have an earworm (Steely Dan songs lately) and have to tell myself to stop clicking my teeth to the rhythm.
Well sure; is innate rhythm neurological or just in tune with musical structures? Why do I need to keep track of it with my teeth? Haven’t chewed nails in 40 years but yeah, used to.
I'm currently wearing braces and my bruxing still hasn't stopped completely, however as the teeth are slowly aligned into their proper position is has diminished considerably. My symptoms are mostly pain in my temples an lateral pterygoid.
But why is it that so many people with so many teeth missing or terrible bite configurations don't experience bruxism? Could it be that even in such bite condigurations there is still proper support for all structures to be in a state of harmony, primarily the TMJs (being in the right position) and the chewing mucles (being at rest), albeit less than optimal?
hi, remember that braces run almost completely contrary to what i am saying on this blog.
as the soft tissue stretches it would be pretty much completely impossible to predict how the teeth should move. Because everything is moving 3 dimensionally outwards.
After u finish with the braces.. if u put on a rubber guard you will start to see where the teeth 'really' want to be. And they will most likely migrate almost immediately from where the braces has them.
My advice would be... chuck the braces. Get a rubber mouthguard.
My general experience is that if u have no fixed occlusion for a couple of months (eg. flat plane splint) than u usually stop bruxing. Because things will have moved to a position where u no longer need to brux.
This totally makes sense. I have bruxism. I feel older but I still look young for my age.
This totally makes sense. I have bruxism. I feel older but I still look young for my age
never mind, i can’t delete this comment but i figured it out
i went to that website, and they are selling 2 different sizes, small and large. no explanation or sizing guide. i want to get one but don’t want to guess what size. no contact info on website either.
i recommend getting large. if too large, we will send a small one free of charge later.
Thanks. I am definitely considering it. My 3 children, all adults now have all had various sorts of orthodontic treatment in their teens. Now their teeth look great but 2 of them grind for instance. I never had orthodontic intervention, as people in my day (I’m early 60’s) hardly did unless they had very obvious problems.
Where do the guards you sell come from?
It is a simple rubber guard that i source from China.
I only charge $25 for the guard itself (incl shipping).
But the $100 is for 1 yr access to the community & content, direct support from me (incl tracking your journal) as i explain here www.getreviv.com
If you buy a rubber guard u can do everything on your own as well. But it can be a tough journey and ive found that a community of folks that are also doing it is very helpful. As well as a guide.
I suspect that the cause of bruxism is different on an individual basis. Stress is one factor, and the unconscious attempt to ameliorate a malocclusion may be another.
Have you discovered Peter Dawson’s book, “Functional Occlusion”? Functional occlusion is the contacts of the teeth during mastication and speech. This is different from static occlusion which is the way the teeth interdigitate or contact while in centric relation.
You are talking about trying to change the VDO (vertical dimension of occlusion) which is solely determined by the repetitive contractile length of the elevator musculature. Should you change the height of the crown, say by increasing it via composite application on just on one tooth, you will create a functional occlusal overload. The result of that focal overload will be tooth movement of the offending tooth via intrusion or lateral movement (tipping) in order to remove that functional occlusal overload from the system. In a battle between the masticatory musculature and a tooth or teeth, the teeth always lose.
Additionally, bone is very dynamic. Wolff’s law is important here. https://www.physio-pedia.com/Wolff%27s_Law
The creation of an anterior open bite via augmentation of the posterior crown height will cause headaches, as you’ve stated, due to stretching and hypertonicity of the elevator musculature. Mouth guards are to protect the teeth from abrasion due to bruxism. I think you’re talking about using removable bite planes to change the function of the entire stomatognathic system.
Each person has a unique stomatognathic system. The problem with the diagnosis of temporomandibular joint dysfunction (TMD) is that each individual person’s system is unique unto themselves. Therefore there is no one-size-fits-all solution to the problem of bruxism, in my opinion of course.
Thank you for the opportunity to think about this subject again.
I hadnt heard of Peter Dawson's book but i don't really try to understand the dental angle very deeply actually.
Mainly because i believe the principles to stick by can be very simple. ie. healthy curve of spee
So far these simple principles have fixed myself, my son, and a number of others.
What dentists dont understand that i do is how the actual soft tissue works... i talk about that in some other posts.
Dentists will read my posts and think im wrong, simplistic, etc
Till they notice how my results on everyone in my group are consistently kicking their asses.
As that group, which already probably numbers around 15+, gets larger.. they will start to think "hmmm maybe this dude does understand something we do not."
Please give me the definition of Curve of Spee. Also Curve of Wilson.
i wrote an article on it so you can just read it https://reviv.substack.com/p/the-curve-of-spee?utm_source=publication-search
Note that i give full credit for the findings about the curve of spee to marcello in the article.
My old friend marcello had tighter knowledge of dentistry concepts than any dentist i've ever been to. And i've been to some good ones.
Ok I read your article. You are a lay person learning about functional occlusion retrospectively from an injury perpetrated by a dentist who did not understand anatomy nor functional occlusion. I see your motivation and your innovation.
I was asking for your definition because of course I know the definitions that I requested from you. Curve of Spee is an anatomic fact of each individual's stomatognathic system and is peculiar to each person's genetics. You are correct that a flattening of the occlusal plane without regard to the anatomic fact of the Curve of Spee (AND the Curve of Wilson) is one seriously great way to screw up the function of the whole system and all of the neurologic and musculoskeletal systems that are downstream of the function of the TMJ within the system. The skeletal pattern, which includes the shape of the Curve of Spee, is determined by genetics for the most part and drives the dental pattern. For instance, brachy and prognathia lead to predictable dental patterns influenced by the abnormal skeletal pattern.
I have been trying to teach functional occlusion to my colleagues for over two decades. It is really a complex, four dimensional, biomechanical science made even more complex by the individual variations of each individual system. Function occlusion is also further made undefinable (in a general sense) because the stomatognathic system will find a way to function no matter what, or the owner of said system will starve and die. The point is that all the parameters of how the system functions in a perfect prototypical person should be understood and have been defined. By understanding the component parts of the system, a practitioner can diagnose what is mal-functioning and endeavor to correct it, if possible.
Those colleagues who understand this area of functional medicine are few and far between. That you are a lay person, motivated to learn about functional occlusion by an injury perpetrated upon you by someone who should know better, is extremely admirable. Keep up the good work. I'd be happy to help you any way I can.
ok... but you are a lay person in understanding the soft tissue that covers the skull.
Something that i talk about here.https://reviv.substack.com/p/the-mystery-piece-of-the-puzzle-is?utm_source=publication-search
When you see how this shit 'ends' as i have.. it makes the whole function of the system clear.
With the stretches ive learned to do, I rip through my skull and scalp daily for over 1.5 yrs.
There is not a dentist out there that understands the soft tissue.
So i may be a 'lay person' to you.. but i will take this shit far further than you or any functional dentist ever will.
Because the only way u figure out how the soft tissue works.. is by iterating on yourself for years.
And of course.. u will ignore me as foolish 'lay person'. But i'm ok with that.
My results and the results of my growing group.. will do my talking for me. As you will see in the coming years.
Can the stomatognathic system function without soft tissue? Like muscles and nerves and tendons and ligaments? These structures are required for function so yes, I do understand their contribution to function of the entire system. That you haven’t met a dental professional who doesn’t dismiss you is sad and frustrating. Been there, done that. I assure you that you’re not alone in this area of functional medicine. Best of luck to you.
What about having ones mouth open all night, with the guard in? Wouldn’t it be really uncomfortable and what about excess saliva?
Ideally the person is able to close their mouth with the guard in.
But if airways are blocked then yes they might be with mouth open.
Eventually as things improve they should be able to close their mouth.
And yes, it will be uncomfortable and sometimes they will drool excess saliva early days.
But i never said this process was going to be easy. For some people it is very hard.
Do you ship to NZ? What would be the cost?
yes we ship to NZ and shipping cost is free.
Just click ‘purchase now’ on: http://www.getreviv.com/
i sell the guard + 1yr of community & support (direct message to me anytime) & i track your progress journal (if you want) for $100.
90 day guarantee... if you don't feel like you're improving within 90 days i give your money back.
Curious if you’re aware of something similar that I do. I click my teeth to the rhythm of a song in my head. It’s not grinding; it’s clicking to a rhythm, be it syncopated or more of a consistent beat. I just become aware I have an earworm (Steely Dan songs lately) and have to tell myself to stop clicking my teeth to the rhythm.
I'm not really familiar with this.
But i bet there are neurological links. Just like biting fingernails etc
Well sure; is innate rhythm neurological or just in tune with musical structures? Why do I need to keep track of it with my teeth? Haven’t chewed nails in 40 years but yeah, used to.
I'm currently wearing braces and my bruxing still hasn't stopped completely, however as the teeth are slowly aligned into their proper position is has diminished considerably. My symptoms are mostly pain in my temples an lateral pterygoid.
But why is it that so many people with so many teeth missing or terrible bite configurations don't experience bruxism? Could it be that even in such bite condigurations there is still proper support for all structures to be in a state of harmony, primarily the TMJs (being in the right position) and the chewing mucles (being at rest), albeit less than optimal?
hi, remember that braces run almost completely contrary to what i am saying on this blog.
as the soft tissue stretches it would be pretty much completely impossible to predict how the teeth should move. Because everything is moving 3 dimensionally outwards.
After u finish with the braces.. if u put on a rubber guard you will start to see where the teeth 'really' want to be. And they will most likely migrate almost immediately from where the braces has them.
My advice would be... chuck the braces. Get a rubber mouthguard.
My general experience is that if u have no fixed occlusion for a couple of months (eg. flat plane splint) than u usually stop bruxing. Because things will have moved to a position where u no longer need to brux.