Egk, I will 100% be buying reviv if you tell me if it will stop the clenching and while my face will change and become more attractive and symmetrical ( which i want) I don’t want my masseters to blow up like balloons and look so wide from that aspect of my face :) thank you for ur support/ product helping others
I remember reading something a very long time ago about the ideal face posture, back when I was more into yoga and Buddhism. The face for meditation and yoga is to completely relax the face with the tongue lightly resting on the roof of the mouth and the lips gently touching.
It sounds very similar to what you are doing. Basically without the extra dental height you can put your mouth into all kinds of compromised positions. But with the additional height you will basically naturally assume this ideal position, always.
When you start looking at the mind body connection it gets even crazier. The connection works both ways and you can fix many mental problems through the correct psychophysical exercises.
Very interesting stuff, I’ll be following your updates!
Hi EGK, so i hace constant jaw pain and neck and back pain and some assymetricallity through all of it, is wearing my anti clench retainer from the ortho worse than not wearing anything at all? and i really am looking into buying the r2!
i had very over developed masseter at a point and made my face look horrible , will the reviv stop that from happening again / stop clenching in sleep… i Want a forward maxilla with positive cheek bones and a nice jawline but not overworked masseters where it just looks bulky and unhealthy
i had very over developed masseter at a point and made my face look horrible , will the reviv stop that from happening again / stop clenching in sleep… i Want a forward maxilla with positive cheek bones and a nice jawline but not overworked masseters where it just looks bulky and unhealthy .. definitely think this reviv might help
Hi EGK, so i hace constant jaw pain and neck and back pain and some assymetricallity through all of it, is wearing my anti clench retainer from the ortho worse than not wearing anything at all? and i really am looking into buying the r2!
Hi EGK, this is honestly fascinating. I just discovered your substack but am familiar with orthotropics and also an inter oral face pulling course from an instagram page called mewing world. They talk about similar stuff. I had a question regarding the reviv. My 4 premolars were extracted and then teeth tightened with braces, leading to the consequences you’ve heard of online; do you think it would be worth to try out the reviv for my case? Have you heard of succes with similar cases? I’d love your thoughts on it, thanks so much.
Thanks for the quick response. On the retainer part: I had a plastic retainer for my upper teeth but stopped wearing it 7 years ago, but I do have a fixed metal wire on my lower teeth. I have heard mixed opinions about its value: some emphasize it is important to not make your facial structure collapse, while others say it might hinder progress in facial restoration you could get through mewing/posture/(the guard you propose). Not sure yet what to do with this as I'll probably try the reviv first and see what benefits I get.. I'll check out your articles in the meanwhile, thanks
You may be one of the few people who will believe this but I recently realized that I walk more uprightly than I have in years (I turned 66 this past Sunday). For some background, I participated in several scholastic athletics in junior and senior high (soccer, wrestling and track). Weight lifting was part of my training and I believe this led to a very correct, upright posture and gait when I was younger. I spent decades as a carpenter and drank a lot of a well known sports drink which, I believe, contributed significantly to serious dental decay due to the citric acid content. As a result, I recently had to have my upper teeth replaced by a prosthesis supported by dental implants (think permanent dentures). My dentist (who BTW won an award in my state for having the most continuing ed hours of ANY dentist in the state and probably knows more than the average bear) suggested that we "open up my bite" with the new teeth. I addition to changing the spacing they also don't occlude the same as my original equipment. This seems to be exactly what you are saying and it seems that is the explanation for the change/restoration of my posture. Whatdayathink?
If you just wear a mouth guard like the Reviv 1 or myobrace to bed will that help?
I’m in the scenario where I release tension via myofascial release and stretches but get tense as soon as I get up and go outside. Anxiety may be contributing to that but I’m tired of the hamster wheel.
I suspect the exercises he talks about is the Russian exercises. I did them for several months and was wearing homemade splints they recommend on the program. But I had a root canal and the crown became loose from constant taking out the splints (you can’t talk with them). I was diligent with both wearing the splints and doing the exercises twice a day. My face completely changed though. It became fuller and more symmetrical — I became beautiful like I was as a child and before the problems that followed from mourn breathing and malocclusion later, followed by the removal of 4 premolars and traditional orthodontics. Unfortunately I could no longer continue with the splints because I removed the root canal and it was extremely uncomfortable with the gap. Once I get the implant in, I won’t want to apply that much force to it in fear that it will come loose as well. But this stuff works! I’m thinking I’ll get the Reviv 2 and get back to the exercises. I fell of the wagon when I went in for oral surgery and lost ALL my gains. When I bought the Russian course, it cost $72/year (not renewable, it’s a course and they give you access to it for a year). It’s extremely discipline and dedication intensive but it’s well worth it!
This is something I'd like to clear up in myself, too. My tinnitus went continuous in early 2017. Before that it was intermittent. Losing that constant companion would be wonderful!
I normally wear retainers to bed since having done an invisalign treatment about 5 years ago. Would the Revive work better than my retainers in keeping my teeth from collapsing and giving me better health outcomes? I had never had orthodonics due to mostly straight teeth as a child but in my fifties noticed some collapsing/crowding of teeth (I guess your balloon theory here); and did a 9 month stint of invisalign. Am i understanding correctly that Revive would be a better dental appliance than a made to fit retainer?
Thank you for your quick reply. I understand the importance of stretching the jaw and having a wide arch. I investigated a Myobrace some years ago, but couldn't order without a dentist prescription. I will be trying your Revive as it makes good sense to me. Thanks again!
Egk, I will 100% be buying reviv if you tell me if it will stop the clenching and while my face will change and become more attractive and symmetrical ( which i want) I don’t want my masseters to blow up like balloons and look so wide from that aspect of my face :) thank you for ur support/ product helping others
I remember reading something a very long time ago about the ideal face posture, back when I was more into yoga and Buddhism. The face for meditation and yoga is to completely relax the face with the tongue lightly resting on the roof of the mouth and the lips gently touching.
It sounds very similar to what you are doing. Basically without the extra dental height you can put your mouth into all kinds of compromised positions. But with the additional height you will basically naturally assume this ideal position, always.
When you start looking at the mind body connection it gets even crazier. The connection works both ways and you can fix many mental problems through the correct psychophysical exercises.
Very interesting stuff, I’ll be following your updates!
thanks Patrick.. yes interesting
And if you keep the extra height in your mouth over long periods of time the body and skull begin to remodel and transform...
Hi EGK, so i hace constant jaw pain and neck and back pain and some assymetricallity through all of it, is wearing my anti clench retainer from the ortho worse than not wearing anything at all? and i really am looking into buying the r2!
if the anti clench retainer is flat in how it contacts the opposing teeth then its good and is prob helping.
If it locks a bite / jaw position than it might be making things worse. I explained: https://reviv.substack.com/p/indexed-splints-and-the-magical-perfect?utm_source=publication-search
Something flat like flat plane splint or mouthguard like Reviv allows the teeth and jaw position to evolve and recover
i had very over developed masseter at a point and made my face look horrible , will the reviv stop that from happening again / stop clenching in sleep… i Want a forward maxilla with positive cheek bones and a nice jawline but not overworked masseters where it just looks bulky and unhealthy
i had very over developed masseter at a point and made my face look horrible , will the reviv stop that from happening again / stop clenching in sleep… i Want a forward maxilla with positive cheek bones and a nice jawline but not overworked masseters where it just looks bulky and unhealthy .. definitely think this reviv might help
I think it will help.
Feel free to check with the community as perhaps other folks have this. We give 1 month free trial of our community. To join just make a request here
https://www.skool.com/reviv-2885/about
Hi EGK, so i hace constant jaw pain and neck and back pain and some assymetricallity through all of it, is wearing my anti clench retainer from the ortho worse than not wearing anything at all? and i really am looking into buying the r2!
Does the single side mouth guard work? It's flat not boil and bite type.But I am not sure.
yes it does. Though i do find that double sided puts more of a stretch.
Single sided works a lot like a flat plane splint, which ive always found to be slower.
Does my rubber wrestling mouth guard work
if its not a boil and bite guard. keep it flat
Hi EGK, this is honestly fascinating. I just discovered your substack but am familiar with orthotropics and also an inter oral face pulling course from an instagram page called mewing world. They talk about similar stuff. I had a question regarding the reviv. My 4 premolars were extracted and then teeth tightened with braces, leading to the consequences you’ve heard of online; do you think it would be worth to try out the reviv for my case? Have you heard of succes with similar cases? I’d love your thoughts on it, thanks so much.
yes i think it will help... but you shouldnt wear any retainer.
There are folks in the group that had extractions for sure.. but im not sure if anyone had 4 premolars extracted
Thanks for the quick response. On the retainer part: I had a plastic retainer for my upper teeth but stopped wearing it 7 years ago, but I do have a fixed metal wire on my lower teeth. I have heard mixed opinions about its value: some emphasize it is important to not make your facial structure collapse, while others say it might hinder progress in facial restoration you could get through mewing/posture/(the guard you propose). Not sure yet what to do with this as I'll probably try the reviv first and see what benefits I get.. I'll check out your articles in the meanwhile, thanks
sure. I think it's less risky to remove if you're wearing a rubber appliance like a Reviv at night.
Because it will prevent things from collapsing and rather things should expand outwards as the soft tissue stretches.
You may be one of the few people who will believe this but I recently realized that I walk more uprightly than I have in years (I turned 66 this past Sunday). For some background, I participated in several scholastic athletics in junior and senior high (soccer, wrestling and track). Weight lifting was part of my training and I believe this led to a very correct, upright posture and gait when I was younger. I spent decades as a carpenter and drank a lot of a well known sports drink which, I believe, contributed significantly to serious dental decay due to the citric acid content. As a result, I recently had to have my upper teeth replaced by a prosthesis supported by dental implants (think permanent dentures). My dentist (who BTW won an award in my state for having the most continuing ed hours of ANY dentist in the state and probably knows more than the average bear) suggested that we "open up my bite" with the new teeth. I addition to changing the spacing they also don't occlude the same as my original equipment. This seems to be exactly what you are saying and it seems that is the explanation for the change/restoration of my posture. Whatdayathink?
yes without a doubt.. these new teeth are using these biomechanics.
If the teeth are taller and if they don’t really lock a single occlusion than you should continue to improve and get healthier.
How good. David UKj
If you just wear a mouth guard like the Reviv 1 or myobrace to bed will that help?
I’m in the scenario where I release tension via myofascial release and stretches but get tense as soon as I get up and go outside. Anxiety may be contributing to that but I’m tired of the hamster wheel.
yes any rubber mouthguard that is not fitted to the teeth will work
I just ordered a Reviv one.
Thanks Chris
So are you going share the exercises at some point? You have me intrigued with the whole process and I feel like I’ve been left hanging.
Maybe one day.
Step one is finish the process till the 'end' and show that it can be done.
I haven't thought much further than that yet tbh lol
I’d be very interested in the exercises as well!
Me too!
I suspect the exercises he talks about is the Russian exercises. I did them for several months and was wearing homemade splints they recommend on the program. But I had a root canal and the crown became loose from constant taking out the splints (you can’t talk with them). I was diligent with both wearing the splints and doing the exercises twice a day. My face completely changed though. It became fuller and more symmetrical — I became beautiful like I was as a child and before the problems that followed from mourn breathing and malocclusion later, followed by the removal of 4 premolars and traditional orthodontics. Unfortunately I could no longer continue with the splints because I removed the root canal and it was extremely uncomfortable with the gap. Once I get the implant in, I won’t want to apply that much force to it in fear that it will come loose as well. But this stuff works! I’m thinking I’ll get the Reviv 2 and get back to the exercises. I fell of the wagon when I went in for oral surgery and lost ALL my gains. When I bought the Russian course, it cost $72/year (not renewable, it’s a course and they give you access to it for a year). It’s extremely discipline and dedication intensive but it’s well worth it!
Wonder how this process might affect tinnitus.
tinnitus will improve and eventually go away. In my view.
Can’t wait for my Reviv …
This is something I'd like to clear up in myself, too. My tinnitus went continuous in early 2017. Before that it was intermittent. Losing that constant companion would be wonderful!
SAME!
Doesn’t the first option, dental splint fitted to teeth lock the position?
oh i just updated it a bit to clarify that it absolutely needs to be a 'flat plane' splint. And not lock a bite position
How would this work for a person with full removable dentures?
I normally wear retainers to bed since having done an invisalign treatment about 5 years ago. Would the Revive work better than my retainers in keeping my teeth from collapsing and giving me better health outcomes? I had never had orthodonics due to mostly straight teeth as a child but in my fifties noticed some collapsing/crowding of teeth (I guess your balloon theory here); and did a 9 month stint of invisalign. Am i understanding correctly that Revive would be a better dental appliance than a made to fit retainer?
I don't want to say 'better' and I want to preface everything by saying that I am not a dentist.
I can tell you my opinion on how Reviv works vs. my understanding of a retainer.
A Reviv will stretch the soft tissue of the jaw and skull and the arches should begin to expand. The teeth will move as that expansion occurs.
And i view that as a good thing. As you will typically have other health things improve as well.
A retainer restricts this expansion from occurring by locking a specific occlusion.
That is what i can say
Thank you for your quick reply. I understand the importance of stretching the jaw and having a wide arch. I investigated a Myobrace some years ago, but couldn't order without a dentist prescription. I will be trying your Revive as it makes good sense to me. Thanks again!
sure! look forward to working with you
where is the guide to the stretches?
there are some stretches here: https://reviv.substack.com/p/how-to-accelerate-the-process-with
Also in our community i have a page with what i call 'fast method' stretches. To join just make a request here
https://www.skool.com/reviv-2885/about