If you just wear a mouth guard like the Reviv 1 or myobrace to bed will that help?
I’m in the scenario where I release tension via myofascial release and stretches but get tense as soon as I get up and go outside. Anxiety may be contributing to that but I’m tired of the hamster wheel.
Hi EGK, this is honestly fascinating. I just discovered your substack but am familiar with orthotropics and also an inter oral face pulling course from an instagram page called mewing world. They talk about similar stuff. I had a question regarding the reviv. My 4 premolars were extracted and then teeth tightened with braces, leading to the consequences you’ve heard of online; do you think it would be worth to try out the reviv for my case? Have you heard of succes with similar cases? I’d love your thoughts on it, thanks so much.
Thanks for the quick response. On the retainer part: I had a plastic retainer for my upper teeth but stopped wearing it 7 years ago, but I do have a fixed metal wire on my lower teeth. I have heard mixed opinions about its value: some emphasize it is important to not make your facial structure collapse, while others say it might hinder progress in facial restoration you could get through mewing/posture/(the guard you propose). Not sure yet what to do with this as I'll probably try the reviv first and see what benefits I get.. I'll check out your articles in the meanwhile, thanks
I had one of those custom night-guards, clear rubbery material, as a teen. Dentist made it for me to keep me from grinding my teeth to nubs. I have an overbite, and what it caused me to do, as I would try to go to sleep (never did manage to sleep wearing the awful thing!), was push at the backs of my upper incisors with my lower teeth. Something about the gummy texture. Couldn't *not* do it. Teeth and jaw were always dreadfully sore after, and I threw it out after a couple weeks as I was afraid it would cause me to break my teeth, or make my incisors stick out horizontally!
You may be one of the few people who will believe this but I recently realized that I walk more uprightly than I have in years (I turned 66 this past Sunday). For some background, I participated in several scholastic athletics in junior and senior high (soccer, wrestling and track). Weight lifting was part of my training and I believe this led to a very correct, upright posture and gait when I was younger. I spent decades as a carpenter and drank a lot of a well known sports drink which, I believe, contributed significantly to serious dental decay due to the citric acid content. As a result, I recently had to have my upper teeth replaced by a prosthesis supported by dental implants (think permanent dentures). My dentist (who BTW won an award in my state for having the most continuing ed hours of ANY dentist in the state and probably knows more than the average bear) suggested that we "open up my bite" with the new teeth. I addition to changing the spacing they also don't occlude the same as my original equipment. This seems to be exactly what you are saying and it seems that is the explanation for the change/restoration of my posture. Whatdayathink?
This is something I'd like to clear up in myself, too. My tinnitus went continuous in early 2017. Before that it was intermittent. Losing that constant companion would be wonderful!
Hi Ken I am very interested in your research and am looking to buy the Reviv and join the community.
I don’t have TMJ issues though have felt like the last 10 years my head is caving into my neck and body, like I feel I need to stretch/lengthen my neck and spine for relief. Thus I have neck pain and never feel fully aligned. I further have fatigue all the time despite exercising including neck and upper back stretching and eating overall a good diet. I do clench my jaw at night and several teeth are worn down. I’ve tried wearing night guards but find them uncomfortable and I worry I won’t do well with the Reviv but will try again!
I do have Ménière’s disease which causes pressure and ringing in the ears with vertigo at times esp when the air pressure changes during stormy weather etc. I wonder if this treatment will improve my symptoms? I believe this may be a big part of my fatigue?
i think for sure wearing a rubber mouthguard will help you. And improve fatigue etc.
What type of 'nightguards' did you wear?
Did you wear a rubber one?
And do not judge effectiveness by how comfortable it is. They are trying to remodel your skull. Typically the more uncomfortale it is.. the more it is working.
I just came across your substack and am very interested as my son has eustachian tube dysfunction which we believe is related to his TMJ, per numerous scientific papers. His family doctor, dentist and ear surgeon all dismissed the possibility of correlation when he brought it up to each of them.
Do you know of ear issues resolving when TMJ is corrected?
yes ear issues, esp eusstachian tube dysfunction is often related to tmj.
id try him wearing a rubber mouthguard for awhile or just add flat composite height to back teeth (in US they call it Planas tracks) and i bet it goes away.
I normally wear retainers to bed since having done an invisalign treatment about 5 years ago. Would the Revive work better than my retainers in keeping my teeth from collapsing and giving me better health outcomes? I had never had orthodonics due to mostly straight teeth as a child but in my fifties noticed some collapsing/crowding of teeth (I guess your balloon theory here); and did a 9 month stint of invisalign. Am i understanding correctly that Revive would be a better dental appliance than a made to fit retainer?
Thank you for your quick reply. I understand the importance of stretching the jaw and having a wide arch. I investigated a Myobrace some years ago, but couldn't order without a dentist prescription. I will be trying your Revive as it makes good sense to me. Thanks again!
I’m trying to relieve migraines that start with neck and shoulder muscle pain. Is Reviv helpful? Also I recently had a dentist adjust a new crown down too low which changed my initial point of contact which is causing all kinds of chewing problems. Can’t I have the crown replaced.
Does my rubber wrestling mouth guard work
if its not a boil and bite guard. keep it flat
If you just wear a mouth guard like the Reviv 1 or myobrace to bed will that help?
I’m in the scenario where I release tension via myofascial release and stretches but get tense as soon as I get up and go outside. Anxiety may be contributing to that but I’m tired of the hamster wheel.
yes any rubber mouthguard that is not fitted to the teeth will work
Hi EGK, this is honestly fascinating. I just discovered your substack but am familiar with orthotropics and also an inter oral face pulling course from an instagram page called mewing world. They talk about similar stuff. I had a question regarding the reviv. My 4 premolars were extracted and then teeth tightened with braces, leading to the consequences you’ve heard of online; do you think it would be worth to try out the reviv for my case? Have you heard of succes with similar cases? I’d love your thoughts on it, thanks so much.
yes i think it will help... but you shouldnt wear any retainer.
There are folks in the group that had extractions for sure.. but im not sure if anyone had 4 premolars extracted
Thanks for the quick response. On the retainer part: I had a plastic retainer for my upper teeth but stopped wearing it 7 years ago, but I do have a fixed metal wire on my lower teeth. I have heard mixed opinions about its value: some emphasize it is important to not make your facial structure collapse, while others say it might hinder progress in facial restoration you could get through mewing/posture/(the guard you propose). Not sure yet what to do with this as I'll probably try the reviv first and see what benefits I get.. I'll check out your articles in the meanwhile, thanks
sure. I think it's less risky to remove if you're wearing a rubber appliance like a Reviv at night.
Because it will prevent things from collapsing and rather things should expand outwards as the soft tissue stretches.
I just ordered a Reviv one.
Thanks Chris
I had one of those custom night-guards, clear rubbery material, as a teen. Dentist made it for me to keep me from grinding my teeth to nubs. I have an overbite, and what it caused me to do, as I would try to go to sleep (never did manage to sleep wearing the awful thing!), was push at the backs of my upper incisors with my lower teeth. Something about the gummy texture. Couldn't *not* do it. Teeth and jaw were always dreadfully sore after, and I threw it out after a couple weeks as I was afraid it would cause me to break my teeth, or make my incisors stick out horizontally!
Is there some way to avoid that?
Soreness is the teeth remodelling.
It's part of the process and you get to learn that it's a good thing.
For most folks it only lasts the first month or so.
Just do it gently... take breaks when you need to
You may be one of the few people who will believe this but I recently realized that I walk more uprightly than I have in years (I turned 66 this past Sunday). For some background, I participated in several scholastic athletics in junior and senior high (soccer, wrestling and track). Weight lifting was part of my training and I believe this led to a very correct, upright posture and gait when I was younger. I spent decades as a carpenter and drank a lot of a well known sports drink which, I believe, contributed significantly to serious dental decay due to the citric acid content. As a result, I recently had to have my upper teeth replaced by a prosthesis supported by dental implants (think permanent dentures). My dentist (who BTW won an award in my state for having the most continuing ed hours of ANY dentist in the state and probably knows more than the average bear) suggested that we "open up my bite" with the new teeth. I addition to changing the spacing they also don't occlude the same as my original equipment. This seems to be exactly what you are saying and it seems that is the explanation for the change/restoration of my posture. Whatdayathink?
yes without a doubt.. these new teeth are using these biomechanics.
If the teeth are taller and if they don’t really lock a single occlusion than you should continue to improve and get healthier.
How good. David UKj
So are you going share the exercises at some point? You have me intrigued with the whole process and I feel like I’ve been left hanging.
Maybe one day.
Step one is finish the process till the 'end' and show that it can be done.
I haven't thought much further than that yet tbh lol
I’d be very interested in the exercises as well!
Wonder how this process might affect tinnitus.
tinnitus will improve and eventually go away. In my view.
Can’t wait for my Reviv …
This is something I'd like to clear up in myself, too. My tinnitus went continuous in early 2017. Before that it was intermittent. Losing that constant companion would be wonderful!
How would this work for a person with full removable dentures?
Hi Ken I am very interested in your research and am looking to buy the Reviv and join the community.
I don’t have TMJ issues though have felt like the last 10 years my head is caving into my neck and body, like I feel I need to stretch/lengthen my neck and spine for relief. Thus I have neck pain and never feel fully aligned. I further have fatigue all the time despite exercising including neck and upper back stretching and eating overall a good diet. I do clench my jaw at night and several teeth are worn down. I’ve tried wearing night guards but find them uncomfortable and I worry I won’t do well with the Reviv but will try again!
I do have Ménière’s disease which causes pressure and ringing in the ears with vertigo at times esp when the air pressure changes during stormy weather etc. I wonder if this treatment will improve my symptoms? I believe this may be a big part of my fatigue?
i think for sure wearing a rubber mouthguard will help you. And improve fatigue etc.
What type of 'nightguards' did you wear?
Did you wear a rubber one?
And do not judge effectiveness by how comfortable it is. They are trying to remodel your skull. Typically the more uncomfortale it is.. the more it is working.
I just came across your substack and am very interested as my son has eustachian tube dysfunction which we believe is related to his TMJ, per numerous scientific papers. His family doctor, dentist and ear surgeon all dismissed the possibility of correlation when he brought it up to each of them.
Do you know of ear issues resolving when TMJ is corrected?
yes ear issues, esp eusstachian tube dysfunction is often related to tmj.
id try him wearing a rubber mouthguard for awhile or just add flat composite height to back teeth (in US they call it Planas tracks) and i bet it goes away.
I normally wear retainers to bed since having done an invisalign treatment about 5 years ago. Would the Revive work better than my retainers in keeping my teeth from collapsing and giving me better health outcomes? I had never had orthodonics due to mostly straight teeth as a child but in my fifties noticed some collapsing/crowding of teeth (I guess your balloon theory here); and did a 9 month stint of invisalign. Am i understanding correctly that Revive would be a better dental appliance than a made to fit retainer?
I don't want to say 'better' and I want to preface everything by saying that I am not a dentist.
I can tell you my opinion on how Reviv works vs. my understanding of a retainer.
A Reviv will stretch the soft tissue of the jaw and skull and the arches should begin to expand. The teeth will move as that expansion occurs.
And i view that as a good thing. As you will typically have other health things improve as well.
A retainer restricts this expansion from occurring by locking a specific occlusion.
That is what i can say
Thank you for your quick reply. I understand the importance of stretching the jaw and having a wide arch. I investigated a Myobrace some years ago, but couldn't order without a dentist prescription. I will be trying your Revive as it makes good sense to me. Thanks again!
sure! look forward to working with you
Doesn’t the first option, dental splint fitted to teeth lock the position?
oh i just updated it a bit to clarify that it absolutely needs to be a 'flat plane' splint. And not lock a bite position
This may have already been addressed, but I haven’t seen it. I have significant Tori, and wonder if this prevents wearing the device properly.
i'm honestly not sure. I think someone in our group now mentioned they have significant tori and it was bothering them at the beginning.
But i havent gotten an update since.
Generally.. i think its worth a try. And just take breaks when things hurt too much.
I’m trying to relieve migraines that start with neck and shoulder muscle pain. Is Reviv helpful? Also I recently had a dentist adjust a new crown down too low which changed my initial point of contact which is causing all kinds of chewing problems. Can’t I have the crown replaced.
i dont want to advise about the crown being replaced as im not a dentist and its not my specialty
But yes i think Reviv will very likely help with teh migraines and neck and shoulder pain
Does Invisalign qualify?