Don't even think about doing surgery
'There are no shortcuts to this game' is the lesson that surgery patients will learn the hard way a decade later. Because surgery don't stretch soft tissue.
Not long ago I came upon a name I recognize from back in the day…. Ronald Ead.
I remember Ronald from years back. He had very publicly decided to do AGGA, which was a very aggressive appliance where they moved teeth around.
Later I believe he concluded it had damaged him and then further on i believe the founder of AGGA got the shit sued out of him.
Ronald’s story at that time was captured by tooth-a-tooth here: https://tooth-for-a-tooth.com/craniodontics/agga/
I gotta hand it to these tooth-a-tooth guys… they really captured all the interesting stories during that period from 2015 - 2018 when i was in the forums.
I think Ronald and I might have even interacted via FB comments on a few posts back then.
Anyway, when i fell upon his name recently I was very impressed with Ronald. Because i had actually first come upon his Youtube channel, JawHacks, and then noticed it was him.
JawHacks has a pretty impressive 56k subscribers for a niche that is pretty niche. I gotta hand it to him… he’s got some game when it comes to Youtube.
But he is basically promoting jaw surgery from the few pieces of content I browsed.
And so this reminded me of this whole topic of surgery.
If ‘surgery’ is what Ronald concluded after his almost decade-long endeavor to come upon the truth, then i’m unfortunately going to have to disagree with him.
A lot of people think you can use surgery to fix your jaw
I see lots of folks in TMJ groups talking about jaw surgery. They think that if they just move their jaw into the "correct" position, all their problems will be solved. Some of them have even been told by their doctors that surgery is their "only option."
Let me be clear - I think this is complete and utter bullshit.
I've been in this game for a decade now and I've followed the story of a fair number of people that did surgery for TMJ purposes (not aesthetic).
And what happens? They might feel better for awhile…. maybe even a couple years. But at some point they realize they were more or less right back where they started.
Why? Because they didn't address the actual problem.
Surgery does not change the soft tissue
Here's the thing that these surgeons don't understand - you cannot fix this problem by just moving bones around.
The soft tissue that surrounds your skull is like a balloon that's deflated. And when you do surgery, you're basically just rearranging the bones inside that deflated balloon.
But guess what? That soft tissue is still going to be pulling everything back to where it was before.
Have you seen people that had facelifts a decade or so back? I love paying attention to these types the past 7-8 years.
They ALWAYS look fucking weird. Unnatural.
Because the soft tissue pulled shit back!
That is the shit that all these surgeons don’t want you to see.
It's physics.
And you can't beat physics by cutting and screwing bones together.
Without changing the soft tissue you are achieving nothing
I talk about this in my other posts - the only way to truly fix this is by stretching the soft tissue via my two rules:
1- Add vertical
2- Unlock the occlusion (ie. no fixed position of the jaw set by the teeth).
You need to inflate that balloon (ie. your skull) back up. Then the bones naturally move outwards and assume their correct anatomical position.
When I do my stretches, I literally rip through the soft tissue of my face and scalp daily. As i talk about in this post.
That's how you create permanent change.
Not from some surgeon moving your jaw a few millimeters and screwing it in place.
I'd love to see the results of these surgery patients in some years
I noticed that Ronald has this guy Dr. David Alfi on quite a bit. And apparently Dr. Alfi does some kind of wonderful surgery that fixes people’s jaws.
In this video above that I watched today they talk about how Dr. Alfi should be featured on podcasts like Andrew Huberman and Peter Attia.
In my book all three of them are wrong, but this surgery bs is the worst option. Huberman and Attia say shit that is useless, but at least not harmful.
So here's my challenge to anyone thinking about surgery - find me someone who had jaw surgery 5+ years ago and is still doing great. And I don't mean "oh yeah I'm managing okay." I mean someone who is absolutely crushing it - perfect health, looking younger, full of energy.
You won't find them. Trust me, I've looked. What you'll find instead are people who either need another surgery or are back to having the same problems they had before.
So play the long game…focus on the soft tissue
Look, I get it. Surgery seems like a quick fix. But there are no quick fixes in this game. You need to focus on stretching that soft tissue properly - whether through wearing something like a Reviv One or a flat plane splint.
Is it slower? Yes.
Does it take more patience? Absolutely.
But it actually works. And when it works, it doesn't just fix your jaw - it improves your entire body, health, and mind.
I've seen people in some of these forums spend $50,000+ on surgery when they could have gotten better results with a $20 appliance and some patience. It's crazy to me.
And let me be clear - I'm not saying this because I have something against surgeons.
I'm saying this because I know how this game ‘actually’ works. I've seen what works and what doesn't, and I've literally fixed myself multiple times. Now it will be for the last time and I will show you guys exactly what ‘done’ looks like at the end.
Remember - you cannot beat physics with surgery. But you can work with physics to actually fix the problem at its root cause.
Hi! I had jaw surgery in 2017, when I was 25. I had a class II malocclusion (very small and backward jaw, plus small and narrow upper maxilla).
I have always had a very small mouth and have been treated by dentists all my life. As a child I had a palatal expander put in and 4 premolars removed; as a teenager I had braces and had to have the 2 upper canines forced out. As an adult, I was still having issues: my back molars didn't align so I could not chew properly. Also, my front teeth were so apart I couldn't really bite food like apples.
Also I experienced inflammation of the trigeminal nerve a few times.
I looked for more natural solutions to my problem, but back then I couldn't find anything reliable, so I went for the surgery.
I must say, it was a huuuuuge improvement. I developed muscles in my jaw I did not know I had 😂 I was finally able to bite and chew properly. And I hadn't a single episode of trigeminal nerve inflammation ever since.
And yet... And yet I'm not fully satisfied. I discovered your blog this morning and I'm very curious.
I think what is missing in my case is a proper adaptation of my head soft tissues. While I think my appearence improved esthetically with the surgery, I think my mouth moves in a strange way since, like in an unnatural way. Also, my upper maxilla still feels and looks a bit "backwards", like it cannot support my cheekbones as it should and my eyes are very sunken (which I think are related issues).
In September I went to my surgeon because I had started to have a TMJ issue and he prescribed me a flat plane splint. I've been wearing it for over a month now and I must say I find the issues with my TMJ quite improved (not cured yet, though, but I've been told it takes time).
In recent years, I have become more aware of the importance of the muscle fascias and I regretted not having had a post-surgery physiotherapist treat me properly to help my muscles adjust better to the new position. In fact, I had (and still have) muscle tension at TMJ and I think that was what caused my problem.
I wonder at this point if the splint is sufficient and if it will help my upper maxilla to expand further...